Creator Lisa Joy On Who’s Alive, Who’s Dead – Deadline


Warning: This post-mortem podcast contains spoilers about tonight’s Westworld Season 4 finale Que Sera, Sera”

We are a long, long way from the park. Remember the west town from season one? HBO’s Season Finale west world wrapped up tonight after a showdown between humans and hosts and more questions about who lives and who is in the virtual Valley of the Beyond. On a special Crew Call tonight we talk to west world co-creator Lisa Joy to sort it all out.

You can listen to our conversation here:

Season 4 was set seven years after Season 3’s revolution, where we saw Maeve (Thandiwe Newton), Caleb (Aaron Paul), and an exhausted Dolores (Evan Rachel Wood) take out the giant, predictive supercomputer Rehoboam. Well, there was more revolution in last Sunday’s episode and in tonight’s with bodies of people and hosts lying around.

Joys says, “Humans and hosts, they’re just going to destroy themselves. Life on Earth as we know it is over.”

Host megalomaniac Charlotte Hale (Tessa Thompson) deposited one of the last host gems we know, Dolores/Christina’s, in the Valley of Beyond and sealed it at the Hoover Dam, just as Bernard (Jeffrey Wright) advised. The Valley of the Beyond is, well, like heaven for hosts. It is also called the sublime. Charlotte also destroyed her pearl and William/Man In Black’s (Ed Harris). However, they didn’t make it to host heaven as we know it.

What now? “The sense of life on Earth has ended,” says Evan Rachel Wood’s Dolores/Christina at the end of tonight’s episode, “but some of it can be preserved … in my world.”

“There is time for one last game – a dangerous game with the highest stakes. Survive or die out,” Dolores/Christina continues, “This game ends where it began, in a world like a maze that tests who we are. That shows who we are going to become.” And we see she’s back in the Westworld western city park.

Is this the end of? west world? Was AI’s abuse of power always in a vicious circle? Joy tells us tonight that she and her husband/co-creator Jonathan Nolan have not yet received word of a season five renewal. However, at the start of the season, she told us that “Jonah (Nolan) and I have always had an ending in mind that we hope to achieve. We’re not quite there yet.”

Here’s a summary of the fates of several characters tonight:


Dolores/Christina (and Teddy). Teddy helped Christina see the light and realize that she was the soul of Dolores. Christina has an epiphany realizing that she is a “program that runs things behind the scenes.” “Your thoughts are real…and the effect you can have on the world is real,” says James Marsden’s Teddy. Christina finds the iconic maze logo from the series that refreshes her memory. Regarding the world around us, Christina says, “It was me, I did it. Hale didn’t design it. Part of me must have searched.” That’s why Christina created her roommate Maya (Ariana DeBose) to help her understand herself.After Charlotte uploads Dolores’ pearl to Valley of the Beyond, Teddy goes all shiny and Christina wakes up from a dream to see the prairie version of herself. “I’m here to tell you the truth about what we are; we are reflections of the people who made us,” Dolores tells Christina. Despite Teddy ‘disappearing’ and becoming completely shimmery, Christina believes/ Dolores that he is “real and somewhere in the sublime.” The episodes end with Dolores walking out into what appears to be a souped-up version of Times Square, which then melts away and transforms back into the Westworld western park.” The Valley of the Beyond is cut off from the world, and those hosts are safe, and Dolores is safe, well, Christina,” Joy tells us.

Joy also duly confirms that Dolores is “in the Valley Beyond”. So she lives in terms of her pearl, her kind of CPU was uploaded to this place where all the other hosts went, and so, what’s alive? Does her physical being exist? No, and it doesn’t exist all season. She’s literally been in a walled garden, but now that walled garden has been sent to a kind of digital infinity where she can presumably create any world she wants.”

Charlotte Hale (and William) — Are they dead? Very serious? Seriously, there must be a drawer of William and Charlotte pearls somewhere. A drone host rescues Charlotte’s dead body at the beginning of the episode and brings her back to life (she was murdered last Sunday). “Make me stronger, leave my scars, I want to remember my past. Hold my face. If I find William, I want him to know it was me who killed him,” says Charlotte, who is being rebuilt by the drone hosts. She is determined to get hold of the man, William, whom she blames for making “everyone as crazy as himself”. She finds an iPad with a message left for her by Bernard. “If you see this, it means Maeve and I are dead. It won’t be long before every host is dead. This is not the world you wanted, Charlotte, but the world you created, the question is what happens next?’

Later at the Hoover Dam, where William and Charlotte confront each other, the Man in Black believes he has evolved, even though he is no longer the man he used to be. Charlotte believes the same, that she has evolved, and indeed, while he tries to stab her with a large knife, she is literally as durable as The Terminator. “You’ve given hosts a free hand to hunt and kill people,” Williams says, “You’re just as insane as our creators. I’m going to wipe the slate clean.” “That’s your end goal? extinction?” replies Hale.As we mentioned above, she tracks down William who kills him, and deposits the pearl of Christina/Dolores in the sublime/Valley of the Beyond.She sits next to the Hoover Dam after the mission, exhales, opens her skull, takes out her pearl and crushes it “How do you die as a host? But if you crush your CPU like that; that’s where the host’s soul lives, so to speak. So yeah, no more Hale,” Joy tells us on Crew Call.

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Clementine Pennyfeather (Angela Sarafyan) is dead, killed by Caleb’s daughter C (Aurora Perrineau) with a gunshot to the head. She wanted the location of Caleb and C’s other outliers, which she thought were disappearing from the grid.

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Caleb and C: They go to a boat where C leaves with her friend. However, Caleb doesn’t want to go. Earlier Caleb learns from C that his wife/her mother has died of cancer. “Your father died a long time ago,” Caleb tells her. It’s a tearful goodbye.

We learned that Hale has made several versions of Caleb this season. So which one did we end up here with? The human?

Joy replies: “Here’s how that technology works. It actually started in the season two episode with Mr. Delos, and where the Man in Black takes a test, a test for immortality, right? They’re trying to do this secret immortality project where if you replicate a person perfectly and put it in this CPU, you can basically let that person live forever. And what they found was when they combined the mind and soul, say, of one’s CPU in an artificial body, such as a body rejecting an organ donation, that body tended to reject that body, and therefore it would break down, and they can kind of stretch the breakdown for longer and longer periods. But in the end it’s like the ghost knows this isn’t real and it’s not doing itself any good anymore, which is what Hale did to Caleb. She would bring him back again and again and see him degraded, as she searched for some truth that she thinks was holding her back.”

So what about Maeve, Bernard and Man in Black? Are they dead, dead, dead?

Joy teases, “There are ways to bring characters back. There are some faces we’ll see again, but not all of them. Some deaths need to be respected.”

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Christopher Brito is a social media producer and trending writer for The Valley Voice, with a focus on sports and stories related to race and culture.


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